Podcast: Richard Goldberg on the Future of Israeli-Saudi Relations – Mosaic

Posted By on December 5, 2020

This Weeks Guest: Richard Goldberg

It has been widely reported that, in late November of 2020, the Israeli prime minister secretly flew to Saudi Arabia for a meeting with the kingdoms crown prince. That these two leaders met at all is noteworthy; that they might have discussed the possibility of normalizing relations between the Jewish state and the wealthiest and most influential Arab country is momentous.

It is easy to see what Israel stands to gain from peace with the Saudis. But whats in it for Saudi Arabia? What would it gain, and what would it risk losing?

Richard Goldberg, a Middle East expert and a senior advisor at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, tackled these questions last week here in Mosaic. In this podcast, he joinsMosaic editor Jonathan Silver to discuss what brought the Middle East to this current moment, how the upcoming change at the White House is affecting Saudi thinking, and whether Israeli-Saudi normalization is truly on the horizon.

Musical selections in this podcast are drawn from the Quintet for Clarinet and Strings, op. 31a, composed by Paul Ben-Haim and performed by the ARC Ensemble.

Excerpt (42:49-45:24):

Richard Goldberg

Theres two thoughts here. One is: why waste time? The Emirates didnt wait, you [Saudi Arabia] shouldnt wait either. Its not going to be any less beneficial to you to normalize if you wait versus if you do it now, so just do it now. Start normalizing the normalization in Washington; make people start seeing you a different way before the Biden administrations even installed, so youre getting ahead of whatever they might be planning in their first few days, so you have the initiative, not the other way around. I think the case for doing it sooner rather than later is very strong. You want to shift the media narrative preemptively. You want to change the strategic calculus preemptively. We dont have nominees even declared for several sub-cabinet posts that will prove critical. The whole Middle East changes before theres a new presidency, and that new presidency has to deal with it if you do it now.

The case for waiting, as Ive been told, is that this will be our [Saudi Arabias] gift, our foreign policy achievement for President Biden to have. This wont all have been a Trump legacy of Arab-Israeli normalization that Democrats want to distance themselves from, so they too will have ownership over this major accomplishment. It will be Bidens to tout and to believe in, and therefore if he likes the fact that he is also a co-father of Middle East peace, maybe even a bigger Middle East peace prize, then it will ingratiate the Saudis to the new administration and give them a seat at the table in all these conversations about Iran policy and Muslim Brotherhood policy, in addition to the security guarantees of continued arms sales and the strategic relationship with the United States. Its to make it something that a President Biden not just wants to defend, but wants to claim as an accomplishment and to build upon.

More about: Abraham Accords, Israel & Zionism, Israel-UAE Peace Agreement, Saudi Arabia

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